A brief idea about trinity :
Some Christians believe that Allah the Almighty, Jesus and the holy spirit are one ( three in one ) that is to say ,(1+1+1=1) Not (1+1+1=3) They believe that Allah ,with his theological nature , changed and took up attributes like ( manhood , humanity ) and changed to the form of Jesus so that He changes to a man in some situations and to the holy spirit in other situations, meanwhile despite those changes , remaining as Allah ( so he is three in one).
So if we ask a Christian who believes in the trinity to describe the truth behind it, he will not be able to prove it. We can use some main points to refute and revoke their beliefs (trinity) from the bible:
1. That Allah the Almighty is one who does not change nor do His nature and attributes .He is all-knowing , perfect in his names and attributes and that contradicts with their claim that He changes from one nature to another.
"So when they say that Allah changed to be jesus or the holy spirit so we consider that a clear change which contradicts what is mentioned in the bible in many verses "
Some Christians can reply that Allah didn't change; he just added to himself another nature or attribute only .
So we reply that when he added to himself another attribute that is a clear change because by this change he became a human being
So does that make sense ??
That Allah became a person after adding to Himself another nature by humans attributes , any addition of another attribute is considered a clear change
Note : This doctrine is not based on any grounds or basics , they have only one verse in the bible which mentions the trinity (JOHN 5:7 ) and it has repliments We will discuss it in the chapter
More about trinity
Refute evidence 1 John 5:7
If you refer to the verse (1 john 5:7 ) , It is a fabricated verse we can't find it in the original greek books and it didn't appeared except in the latest era's (after 500 years from Jesus departure), and when it appeared it was found in the footnote of the book so it is not from the basics of the bible.
Do you know that these verses are erased from all new bible versions coz they are fabricated And they only exist in the kings James version.
Trinity was never Jesus teachings He didn't say the first commandment is to believe in trinity
Jesus called for absolute Oneness of God ... "The LORD our God is the one and only LORD." Mark (12:29)
Dialogue:
You mean that Jesus is the father ?
Answer: No! God is the father.
But you said that they are one ?
So why Jesus is not the father
If jesus is not the father so they are two
Is that right..
Answer: They can't be two, if you believe in Jesus believe also in him who is God. For he said if u have seen Jesus u have seen me (God) the oneness of Jesus and God does not mean that Jesus is God or even the son of God but it is an allegory used for showing how Jesus is close and attached to God as a prophet and messenger of God.
And you said yourself that Jesus is not the father
So they can never be one .
They are one against evil and satan
They are one in their purpose .
This is a symbolical meaning
But does not mean that they are one in essence.
Agree?
Allah is Ever-Sustaining
Jesus needed to Pray, Eat, Drink and Was Helped by Woman, as stated in Luke 8:1-3
but God in Bible is self-sufficient
Psalm 50:12
God doesn't die
God is the living and everlasting (Habakkuk 1:12)
Rom 1:22-23: "Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles."
No one like God
Isa 46:5:
"To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?"
Isa 46:9: "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,"
God doesn't change his nature
- God Doesn’t Change His Nature
- “I am the LORD, and I do not change."
(Malachi 3:6)
- The God remain the same in nature
(Hebrews 1:12)
- Heb 13:8: "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever."
Flesh, spirit
John 3:6
Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit.
This is proof that Jesus who was made from flesh can never be Spirit .
Jesus said:
Luke 24:39:
"See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have.”"
John 4:24: "God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”"
The bible says that God is spirit ,and Jesus says that spirit has no flesh and bones .
But Jesus has flesh and bones ,,... so he can never be God .
God’s nature is forever the same, He isn’t changing over time, so for example God’s nature is to always be perfect, God is always all-knowing and so on, He didn’t gain these attributes or part of His nature after.
Now comes the problem though, at least if you believe Jesus is God in the flesh, as this was a clear change of nature.
According to Christian theology, or at least Christian theology concerning those who believe in the deity of Jesus. God who is Jesus became man in the flesh, he became a very real human being, he was true blood and flesh, and had the true human nature.
Response to baptism in the name of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit
Baptizing verse
Mat 28:19:
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
Is this verse true or fabricated ?
This was the last order that Jesus gave to the disciples .
Jesus told them :
John 14:15: "“If you love me, you will keep my commandments."
And also told them
John 15:14: "You are my friends if you do what I command you."
-So did they do that order in Matthew 28:19?
-No ,Never .
The disciples never responded to what Jesus ordered them in this verse , Which means
1- That this verse didn't exist at their time .
2- It's a fabricated verse .
I and the father and the angels
Let us also look at this verse
Luke 9: 26
"Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels."
....so why don't we copy a trinity from this verse too ( the father and the son and the holy angels) , not the holy spirit ?!!!!
Holy spirit is not God
Holy Spirit does not know the last hour, only God the father does:
But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Matthew 24:36)
Explanation
They said that God changes his nature to be the holy spirit coz he is three in one , so we reply that God has the all knowledge so the holy spirit must have the all knowledge too , but when we look at the bible we find that the holy spirit doesn't know everything and it doesn't know when is the hour and it's written no one knows the hour but the father.
So that's proof that the holy spirit is not God ... it contradicts their belief !
Was holy spirit sent to Mary only
Virgin Mary was not the only person who was told that the Holy Spirit will come to her .
The mother of prophet John according to the bible was filled with the holy spirit . Luke 1:13-15
Luk 1:13-15:
"But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zechari′ah, for your prayer is heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth; for he will be great before the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb."
Acts 10:44: "While Peter was still saying this, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word."
So we find that the coming of the Holy Spirit according to the bible to somebody means that this person is very close to God and chosen by God , a prophet or a good believer but does not mean that he was God himself .
Only understand with holy spirit
Claiming we need holy spirit to understand christianity
Are you aware there are more than 33,000 denominations Churches and cults around the world today and each of them claim they are filled with the Holy Spirit yet they are still confused about who God and Jesus are!!
Trinitarian and Unitarian Christians!!
They all never come to one AGREEMENT ABOUT THEY BELIEFS AND BIBLE!!
Why this big difference?!
Which one is correct?
Ethiopian and Coptic churches have even more books.
If we are talking about Bible interpretations , we can see the diversity in faith among Christian churches,
some of them are like having statues and images of saints, belief in Mary whether it is the mother of the Lord or not, immaculate conception, Holy Spirit himself who is supposed to guide Christians, Christians have diversity whether he is proceeded from the Father only or the Father and the Son, and here we go.
Which bible is true ?!
Protestant bible books= 66 books
Catholic bible books= 73 books
Coptic bible books= 75 books
Syrianic bible books= 61 books
Greek bible books= 78 books
Ethiopic bible books= 81 books
Christianity is divided into Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox, and their Bibles differ in what books are included in the canon of Scripture.
Protestants disagree over which is the most accurate English translation to use.
According to the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life report in 2011, there are over 41,000 Christian denominations and movements.
Even within particular denominations, there is infighting, controversy and schism.
Refuting trinity from Quran
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.
So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.
Say, "Do you worship besides Allah that which holds for you no [power of] harm or benefit while it is Allah who is the Hearing, the Knowing?"
Say, "O People of the Scripture, do not exceed limits in your religion beyond the truth and do not follow the inclinations of a people who had gone astray before and misled many and have strayed from the soundness of the way."